Comments on: Romans 13 & Interposition, From One Christian’s View http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:50:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dr. Pepper http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-679966 Dr. Pepper Mon, 26 May 2008 01:12:57 +0000 http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-679966 I have personally spoken and been in a close friendship with Mr. Pidd at one time for a period of 2 and a half years. During this time I found him to be a sincere and protective man for what he believes in, but in the end however I saw that all the talk of Calvinism did not effect his personal life. His daily walk with God is exactly that, a walk between him and God so I am in no position to comment in this area. However his daily walk with his family and those that he ruled over, I can say from first hand experienc that if Calvinism makes you rule with an iron fist and makes your family cry on the phone then I want no part of something that you say is the only way to believe! I have personally spoken and been in a close friendship with Mr. Pidd at one time for a period of 2 and a half years. During this time I found him to be a sincere and protective man for what he believes in, but in the end however I saw that all the talk of Calvinism did not effect his personal life. His daily walk with God is exactly that, a walk between him and God so I am in no position to comment in this area. However his daily walk with his family and those that he ruled over, I can say from first hand experienc that if Calvinism makes you rule with an iron fist and makes your family cry on the phone then I want no part of something that you say is the only way to believe!

]]> By: Jonathan Rowe http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-644569 Jonathan Rowe Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:59:11 +0000 http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-644569 Mr. Pidd, I wonder if you are a fan of the Red the Bartender tapes? Perhaps some of my readers can check out the YouTube debate and give me some thumbs up to remove the -1s. Mr. Pidd,

I wonder if you are a fan of the Red the Bartender tapes? Perhaps some of my readers can check out the YouTube debate and give me some thumbs up to remove the -1s.

]]> By: Jason Kuznicki http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-644534 Jason Kuznicki Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:10:53 +0000 http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-644534 <em>From the very simple proposition that the Bible does not contradict itself, one can easily deduce that Romans 13 is not a command for Christians to give earthly governments carte blanch.</em> Not from that proposition alone. From it alone, one might easily conclude that Romans 13 -- being the latest of God's words on this subject -- is also the one under which we now live, God having changed the terms of the dispensation here. (This is not a view that I share, mind you, but it should be clear that there needs to be a bit more work done before you can prove your point.) From the very simple proposition that the Bible does not contradict itself, one can easily deduce that Romans 13 is not a command for Christians to give earthly governments carte blanch.

Not from that proposition alone. From it alone, one might easily conclude that Romans 13 — being the latest of God’s words on this subject — is also the one under which we now live, God having changed the terms of the dispensation here. (This is not a view that I share, mind you, but it should be clear that there needs to be a bit more work done before you can prove your point.)

]]> By: Positive Liberty » Response to Babka on Romans 13 http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-644192 Positive Liberty » Response to Babka on Romans 13 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:44:16 +0000 http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-644192 [...] First I’d like thank Jim Babka for taking the time to write such a thoughtful response on my post about Romans 13 and for the nice things he says about me in there. [...] [...] First I’d like thank Jim Babka for taking the time to write such a thoughtful response on my post about Romans 13 and for the nice things he says about me in there. [...]

]]> By: Stewart Pidd http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-643560 Stewart Pidd Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:52:12 +0000 http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-643560 It seems that Mr. Rowe is quite active on YouTube. See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jMF04YRf0UU&feature=user It seems that Mr. Rowe is quite active on YouTube. See:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jMF04YRf0UU&feature=user

]]> By: Bryan Morton http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-643176 Bryan Morton Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:54:23 +0000 http://positiveliberty.com/2008/04/romans-13-interposition-from-one-christians-view.html#comment-643176 From the very simple proposition that the Bible does not contradict itself, one can easily deduce that Romans 13 is not a command for Christians to give earthly governments carte blanch. Over and over again, in the Old Testament, man seeks to increase himself and diminish God. The consequences are consistent. Man continually finds himself in bondage. There is a clear and consistent anti-state, pro-God message. From the time God told Adam and Eve, "Don't eat the fruit..." and Adam, Eve and Satan decided to have a democracy instead, the message is the same. Israel looked to Egypt to save them from famine and wound up in slavery. In Samuel, Israel again says, "Hey, we want a King like everybody else has!" (What a bunch of whiners.) And God lays out for the the consequences or their request. Do they listen? Do we ever? If that's not enough, all one really has to do is look at the actions of the author of Romans 13, (he did spend a bit of time in jail), and about the Roman government of that time. Was Paul really telling Christians to obey Nero and Herod 2? I believe Paul's point was, as Christians, we are going to get persecuted, but let's try to make sure that when we are, it's to God's glory, and not wasted on our own selfish desires. From the very simple proposition that the Bible does not contradict itself, one can easily deduce that Romans 13 is not a command for Christians to give earthly governments carte blanch. Over and over again, in the Old Testament, man seeks to increase himself and diminish God. The consequences are consistent. Man continually finds himself in bondage. There is a clear and consistent anti-state, pro-God message. From the time God told Adam and Eve, “Don’t eat the fruit…” and Adam, Eve and Satan decided to have a democracy instead, the message is the same. Israel looked to Egypt to save them from famine and wound up in slavery. In Samuel, Israel again says, “Hey, we want a King like everybody else has!” (What a bunch of whiners.) And God lays out for the the consequences or their request. Do they listen? Do we ever? If that’s not enough, all one really has to do is look at the actions of the author of Romans 13, (he did spend a bit of time in jail), and about the Roman government of that time. Was Paul really telling Christians to obey Nero and Herod 2? I believe Paul’s point was, as Christians, we are going to get persecuted, but let’s try to make sure that when we are, it’s to God’s glory, and not wasted on our own selfish desires.

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