James Madison Still Wasn’t Christian
Jonathan Rowe on May 18th 2007
Reader James J. Goswick doesn’t agree with my contention that Madison wasn’t Christian, but a theistic rationalist. He writes:
Now for the truth. The blogger will never find a quote by Madison denying the trinity or Christianity. That Madison later changed his views and believed in not supporting Christianity is irrelevant to Madison’s faith. Hi faith never changed, only his application of it towards govt.
“[A]lways keep the Ministry obliquely in View whatever your profession be. This will lead you to cultivate an acquaintance occasionally with the most sublime of all Sciences and will qualify you for a change of public character if you should hereafter desire it. I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of Religion or against temporal Enjoyments even the most rational and manly than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent Advocates in the cause of Christ, and I wish you may give in your Evidence in this way.”–
James Madison, in a letter Sept. 25, 1773 to William Bradford, reprinted in The Papers of James Madison, eds. William T. Hutchinson and William M.E. Rachal (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1962), vol. 1, p. 96.
A number of things. First, this is the only reference you’ll see Madison using the word “Christ,” and he wasn’t even stating that he believed, rather that he supported someone else’s religious fervor. Sorry, but if one is a Trinitarian and Christ central to one’s life, such utter lack of mentioning of His name raises suspicions.
James H. Hutson, one of the most notable anti-secularist scholars, answers almost all of Mr. Goswick’s objections in this classic paper here. Madison, for a brief period of time around when his letter to Bradford was written, may have briefly flirted with Christian orthodoxy. However, such was short lived. Hutson writes:
Educated by Presbyterian clergymen, Madison, as a student at Princeton (1769-1772), seems to have developed a “transient inclination” to enter the ministry. In a 1773 letter to a college friend he made the zealous proposal that the rising stars of his generation renounce their secular prospects and “publicly . . . declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ.” Two months later Madison renounced his spiritual prospects and began the study of law. The next year he entered the political arena, serving as a member of the Orange County Committee of Safety. Public service seems to have crowded out of his consciousness the previous imprints of faith. For the rest of his life there is no mention in his writings of Jesus Christ nor of any of the issues that might concern a practicing Christian. Late in retirement there are a few enigmatic references to religion, but nothing else. With Madison, unlike Jefferson or any of the other principal founding fathers with the possible exception of Washington, one peers into a void when trying to discern evidence of personal religious belief.
Mr. Goswick also objects by pointing out part of Madison’s Memorial and Remonstrance implies the Christian religion true over others. Indeed, John Noonan, a Catholic intellectual and jurist bases his case for Madison’s Christianity on this. Hutson writes Noonan
insist[ed] that Madison was “a pious Christian,” a “true follower” of Jesus and that he was guided by a “faith . . . palpably alive, a faith stupendous in modern eyes, a faith that God in us speaks to us.” He spoke, Noonan concluded, “as a believer in Christianity’s special light,” as one who “looks to the evangelization of the world.”
The relevant part of the Memorial and Remonstrance is as follows:
12. Because the policy of the Bill is adverse to the diffusion of the light of Christianity. The first wish of those who enjoy this precious gift ought to be that it may be imparted to the whole race of mankind. Compare the number of those who have as yet received it with the number still remaining under the dominion of false Religions; and how small is the former! Does the policy of the Bill tend to lessen the disproportion? No; it at once discourages those who are strangers to the light of revelation from coming into the Region of it; and countenances by example the nations who continue in darkness, in shutting out those who might convey it to them. Instead of Levelling as far as possible, every obstacle to the victorious progress of Truth, the Bill with an ignoble and unchristian timidity would circumscribe it with a wall of defence against the encroachments of error.
Though, as Hutson notes, this document was “written to appeal to evangelical forces during a petition campaign in 1785″ to support his notion of separation of church and state (or “no-cognizance” — some scholars, notably Philip Hamburger, think them two different concepts; I don’t). Madison argued that a true Christian would reject any kind of government support for Christianity. And indeed, in that document, he rails against Christian establishments and, in particular, remonstrates against Patrick Henry’s bill which would have provided aid to Christian religions on a non-discriminatory basis (but the bill specified aid go to Christian religions only).
Hutson also notes
a statement in 1833 in which the aged ex-president lauded Christianity as the “best & purest religion.” This last assertion, however, sounds very much like the deistical maxim, frequently indulged by Jefferson, that the “pure” religion of Jesus had been unconscionably corrupted by the apostle Paul and the early church fathers.
I have also noted that use of comparative terms like “better” or “best” to describe Christianity is not orthodox. Christianity is not “better” than other religions, according to such thought. Christianity is true; other religions are false. The following is evidence that Madison did not believe non-Christian religions are false, that his statements in the Remonstrance, rather, spoke to persons who believed such and tried to convince them that the no-cognizance/no aid standard is consistent with their orthodox views. When addressing the Native Americans, like Washington, Jefferson (and probably Adams, though I haven’t found his quotations yet), Madison referred to God as “The Great Spirit” exactly as the Indians did. I blogged about that here. The following is from his To My Red Children, August 1812. I have emphasized his use of the term “The Great Spirit”:
“I have a further advice of my Red children. You see how the country of the eighteen fires is filled with people. They increase like the corn they put into the ground. They all have good houses to shelter them from all weathers, good clothes suitable to all seasons; and as for food, of all sorts, you see they have enough and to spare. No man, woman, or child, of the eighteen fires, ever perished of hunger. Compare all this with the condition of the Red people. They are scattered here and there in handfulls. Their lodges are cold, leak, and smoky. They have hard fare, and often not enough of it.
“Why this mighty difference? The reason, my Red children, is plain. The white people breed cattle and sheep. They spin and weave. Their heads and their hands make all the elements and productions of nature useful to them.
“It is in your power to be like them. The ground that feeds one lodge by hunting, would feed a great band by the plough & the hoe. The Great Spirit has given you, like your white brethren, good heads to contrive, and strong arms, and active bodies. Use them like your white brethren of the eighteen fires, and like them, your little sparks will grow into great fires. You will be well fed, dwell in good houses, and enjoy the happiness for which you, like them, were created. These are the words of your father to his red children. The Great Spirit who is the father of us all, approves them. Let them pass through the ear in to the heart. Carry them home to your people; and as long as you remember this visit to your father of the eighteen fires, remember these are his last and best words to you!”
If Madison were an orthodox Christian concerned with the souls of Native Americans he would not have used this language but admonished them to come to Christ. Instead, he told them their pagan God they worshipped was “the father of us all,” the same God he worshipped. This unmistakably affirms my contention that the Founders believed
all religions about which they were aware were valid ways to God and that included not just Christianity, but Judaism, Deism, Unitarianism, Islam, Hinduism, Native American Spirituality, and Pagan Greco-Romanism. God is Jehovah to the Jews, Allah to the Muslims, the Great Spirit to the Native Americans. And these are different names for the same generic “Providence” they worshipped. Though, as theological unitarians, they didn’t believe that Jesus was God, rather that he was a great moral teacher who may have been a man (Socinian) or some kind of divine being created by and subordinate to God (Arian).
On denying the Trinity, it’s tough to find quotations from Madison doing so because back then such could ruin one’s public reputation (until recently before the founding, it could get you killed by the “Christian Commonwealths”). Neither did Madison ever publicly affirm the doctrine, and he invariably used generic, philosophical titles for God (like “Nature’s God”). Two strong pieces of evidence show that Madison was a theological unitarian. First, there is eyewitness accounts of Madison professing such. As Hutson reported, Madison biographer, Irving Brant quoted “a Bostonian’s account of an 1815 dinner table conversation with Madison:
He talked of religious sects and parties and was curious to know how the cause of liberal Christianity stood with us, and if the Athanasian creed was well received by our Episcopalians. He pretty distinctly intimated to me his own regard for the Unitarian doctrines.”
And this is entirely confirmed by Madison’s letter to Frederick Beasley where for authority on God’s attributes he appeals to a notorious theological unitarian and religious rationalist — Samuel Clarke — who was nearly defrocked from his position as an Anglican minister for peddling such heresy within the Church.
Also note that Madison did not turn to John Witherspoon, as some mistakenly believe was his spiritual mentor. No evidence exists that Witherspoon led Madison to Christ other than the fact that Madison may have briefly flirted with orthodox Christianity in his college days. But if he were Christian then, as Bishop Meade, a notable Episcopalian of the post-founding era, noted:
His religious feeling, however, seems to have been short-lived. His political associations with those of infidel principles, of whom there were many in his day, if they did not actually change his creed, yet subjected him to the general suspicion of it….
Many of those elite Virginia Anglican Whigs secretly held to “infidel principles.” Indeed, after graduation, Madison’s mentor was Jefferson, who may well have brought Madison to unitarian infidelity. As James Renwick Willson, a minister who preached against the Constitution for its godlessness and lack of covenant with God, noted in 1832:
Mr. Jefferson’s successor, Mr. Madison, was educated by godly parents, with a view to the Ministry of reconciliation. He commenced the study of Theology, under the care of Dr. Witherspoon, President of Princeton College, where he attended a prayer meeting of the pious youth of that Seminary, who were preparing for the Holy Ministry.
When he returned from Princeton to his fathers house in Virginia, Mr. Jefferson was a young village lawyer, who had attracted the notice of the neighborhood, by his regular business habits, in collecting debts, drawing indentures, &c.
Madison, to the grief of his parents, abandoned the study of Theology, and entered the office of the infidel and libertine Jefferson, as a student of law. Though Mr. Madison has pledged himself neither in public nor private, to the belief of Christianity, yet he is not known to have employed his influence, like Jefferson, in attempts to abolish the Christian Faith. The value of a religious education is strikingly illustrated the private character of James Madison. Jefferson probably made him a deist, and yet his moral deportment, as it regards the second table of the law, has been respectable. All the influence of the infidel creed, and the profligacy of morals about court, have not been of sufficient force to demolish utterly the fabric of a religious education. For the honor of the country, we may hope that he will not contrive to die on the 4th of July.
Hutson also notes that Madison’s views evolved to reject Calvinism and embraced enlightenment rationality:
Two bits of evidence, heretofore overlooked, seem to corroborate the claims of those who assume that the mature Madison either lost interest in religion or migrated spiritually into one of the many mansions of deism. First, there is the curious episode of the publication in 1802 of the sermons of the Reverend John Witherspoon, Madison’s mentor at Princeton and, subsequently, his friend and political comrade. As was customary in Madison’s day, Witherspoon’s writings were published by public subscription. The list of subscribers was so extensive that the promoters of the publication must have scoured the nation to obtain support. The subscribers were a veritable who’s who of the nation’s political elite; Jefferson, John Adams, John Jay, John Dickinson and many other luminaries. Also included were many of Madison’s friends and classmates at Princeton. But Madison’s own name was absent. Was the omission accidental? Or had Madison refused to sponsor a theological opus because of disenchantment with its orthodox pieties?
Perhaps a better clue to Madison’s outlook is a letter to Jefferson, December 31, 1824, in which he complained about Presbyterian “Sectarian Seminaries,” armed with charters of incorporation, disseminating obsolete religious doctrines, by which he clearly meant Calvinism.
Unassailable charters allowed a “creed however absurd or contrary to that of a more enlightened Age” to be perpetuated indefinitely. The Reformation itself, Madison continued, must be considered the “greatest of abuses,” if legal impediments could prevent its doctrines from being brought up to date. The idea that Madison was espousing, that religious truth must evolve to incorporate the discoveries of science and other branches of modern learning, was far from the theological orthodoxy of most 19th century American churches. It can be inferred that his own religious views had evolved from the verities he had learned at Princeton, but how and in what direction neither this nor other writings disclose.
Finally, though Mr. Goswick objects to my assertion that John Witherspoon may not have even taught his students Calvinism, no evidence shows he so did; though Witherspoon did preach Calvinism from the pulpit. What most folks don’t understand is that Witherspoon had a metaphorically schizophrenic or split personality when it came to his religious teachings on the one hand, and government teachings on the other. What Witherspoon taught his student at Princeton were his Lectures on Moral Philosophy. And in them, there is an utter lack of Calvinist teachings. As Dr. Gregg Frazer, in his dissertation, points out, “[i]t was not Witherspoon the Calvinist, but Witherspoon the rationalist and naturalist, who influenced a generation of American political leaders — and Madison in particular.” p. 278.
It is ironic that in Scotland, Witherspoon defended orthodoxy against the thought of Enlightenment rationalists Hume and Hutcheson. But when he prepared his Lectures, he turned to those very infidel sources for content! (Ibid). Indeed it was Witherspoon who first introduced Madison to Samuel Clarke — that Arian heretic/philosophical rationalist. Like the Enlightenment rationalists, Witherspoon believed one can discover God’s attributes from reason alone. In fact, he elevated reason to the same level as revelation. But ultimately, like Aquinas, he believed the two would always perfectly agree. Though, he grounded his political teachings in Locke’s “state of nature” theory which is wholly alien to the Bible. Thus, when he taught government and moral philosophy to his students at Princeton, Witherspoon spoke as an Enlightenment rationalist, not a Calvinist.
The historical record thus fails to show that Madison was a Christian in the orthodox sense and strongly points in the direction of his theistic rationalism, what Hutson calls “one of the many mansions of deism,” but is actually a version of theological unitarianism/universalism that posits an active personal god and elevates reason over revelation.
Filed in The Belfry, The Bureau
It seems Mr. Goswick may share a trait with certain groups of revisionists: blinders. While looking assiduously for support for their ideas, they find a twig to bend and twist beyond recognition, claim to have found branch, and ignore the tree standing before them. They have found the ‘truth,’ but scant evidence.
“The Great Spirit, who is the Father of us all,
approves them.” p.556.>>
This is a generic term for God. A common ploy with missionaries is to adapt to the culture and use common words in the culture to get your point across. That’s what Madison does, he says God is the Great Spirit, who he says is the creator of all. Memorial and Remonstrance contradicts Mr. Rowe’s interpretation.
Mr. Rowe needs to find Madison’s own words refuting biblical Christianity in order for his scheme to succeed. Without Mr. Rowe showing Madison’s own words denying the common knowledge doctrine of Christianity, his claim cannot work.
Finally, though Mr. Goswick objects to my assertion
that John Witherspoon may not have even taught his
students Calvinism>>
Calvinism is not the issue, it’s the Deity of Jesus,
which Witherspoon believed, and would never have told
his flock to reject, hence there’s no evidence to the
contrary.
Based on the evidence, there is no personal writing of
James Madison rejecting the trinity, or biblical christianity, so it can not be assumed.
“This is a generic term for God. A common ploy with missionaries is to adapt to the culture and use common words in the culture to get your point across.”
Really? Would missionaries refer to God as Allah when trying to convert Muslims? If Christians don’t believe Muslims or Native Americans worship the same God they do, it seems disingenuous to pretend that they do when trying to “mission.”
And Madison, likewise, doesn’t try to convert them to Christianity. What can be gleaned from his speech is that he thought their “Great Spirit” was the same God he worshipped.
“Mr. Rowe needs to find Madison’s own words refuting biblical Christianity in order for his scheme to succeed. Without Mr. Rowe showing Madison’s own words denying the common knowledge doctrine of Christianity, his claim cannot work.”
Well, there is his systematic refusal to speak in specifically Christian language, rather, using generic lowest common denominator and philosophical terms for God.
You are right that it is difficult, with both Madison and Washington, to find smoking gun quotations as there are with Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin denying the Trinity, which is why I have repeatedly stressed that my evidence strongly POINTS in that direction.
1) He never affirms orthodox Trinitarian Christianity, in a time when, socially, one had nothing to lose by doing so but could lose one’s public reputation if one came out of the closet as an “infidel.”
2) Others testify that his political associations with “infidels” lead him to adopt that philosophy. There is an eyewitness account of a dinner conversation where he admits to being a unitarian.
3) When asked to specify his creed in his letter to Frederick Beasley, he easily could have called himself a Christian, quoted the Bible, affirmed the Trinity, talked about the need to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, invoked Witherspoon and his Trinitarian Calvinism as his spiritual mentor, but does not and instead,
a) speaks entirely in philosophical terms about God, not quoting the Bible or mentioning Jesus once;
b) appeals to a philosophical rationalist and theological unitarian — Samuel Clarke — as authority on the matter.
Sorry but this doesn’t add up to Trinitarian Christianity.
http://www.churchstatelaw.com/historicalmaterials/8_7_16.asp
Mr. Goswick replied but couldn’t submit the comment. So I am submitting it for him.
“Would missionaries refer to God as Allah when trying
to convert Muslims?”
Allah is the name of the moon god of the kabah, el
elah, the Great Spirit was a generic term for God, not
his personal name.
“And Madison, likewise, doesn’t try to convert them
to Christianity.”
That is true, how many Christians do?
“What can be gleaned from his speech is that he thought
their ‘Great Spirit’ was the same God he
worshipped.”
Or that the “Great Spirit” is the Holy Spirit who
is the third person of the triune God that is the same
God of us all.
“Well, there is his systematic refusal to speak in
specifically Christian language, rather, using generic
lowest common denominator and philosophical terms for
God.”
It still isn’t enough to label Madsion a theistic
rationalist. You are correct about Jefferson and Adams
as Christian unitarians, because we have their words
to support the label, but not for Madison. The
contempory opinions are too conflicting, you need his
own words.
“He never affirms orthodox Trinitarian Christianity,”
It still isn’t enough. If Madison affirmed the truth
of Christianity to a group of Christians, is that
affirming Christianity?
“There is an eyewitness account of a dinner
conversation where he admits to being a unitarian.”
His Pastor, who he invited to his house for prayers
was a Christian, the people in his neighborhood said
he was a Christian. Unless you have his own words
rejecting the common doctrines of Christianity, you
can’t make the claim. I applaud you for your
research, it’s good that we can talk about these
things in this forum.
“When asked to specify his creed in his letter to
Frederick Beasley, he easily could have called himself
a Christian, quoted the Bible, affirmed the Trinity,
talked about the need to accept Jesus as Lord and
Savior, invoked Witherspoon and his Trinitarian
Calvinism as his spiritual mentor, but does not and
instead,”
You’re correct. He could have but he didn’t. He was
very secretive of his faith like Washington. He did
witness to his friend Bradford by telling him that all
public servants should profess their Christian beliefs
and testimony. He wasn’t that type of guy. Even
Jefferson said he was a timid, quiet person.
“Sorry but this doesn’t add up to Trinitarian
Christianity.”
His Pastor was a Christian, and he
prayed with Christians in his own house, not with
unitarians. There isn’t enough to make the claim.
Madison says, “In this comparative facility of
conception & belief, all philosophical Reasoning on
the subject must perhaps terminate. But that I may not
get farther beyond my depth, and without the resources
which bear you up in fathoming efforts,”…
He’s correct, there is a lot more to it, than what he said.
He does mention the law of nature, which Blackstone,
Montesquieu, Locke, and the other Christian
philosophers claim was the God of the bible. John
Locke says, quoting Richard Hooker, where he got his
law of nature beliefs:
“[L]aws human must be made according to the general
laws of Nature, and without contradiction to any
positive law of Scripture, otherwise they are ill
made.”
John Locke, Two Treatises
on Government (London: J. Whiston, etc., 1772), Book
II, p. 285, Chapter XI, §135, n., quoting Hooker’s
Eccl. Pol. 1. iii, sect. 9.
Locke here affirms man’s law(or reason) cannot contradict the bible, so the bible is the supreme authority, as Blackstone affirms.
It’s a good topic to talk about.
[...] Reader James J. Goswick responds to my post addressing James Madison’s alleged Christianity. I will admit with Madison and Washington, because of their reticence to explicate their specific creed, until we find more of their writings (if we ever do), there will always be some question. As James H. Hutson put it, Seeking evidence of his faith quickly leads to the conclusion that there is, in the words of the poet, no there there, that in the mature Madison’s writings there is no trace, no clue as to his personal religious convictions….With Madison, unlike Jefferson or any of the other principal founding fathers with the possible exception of Washington, one peers into a void when trying to discern evidence of personal religious belief. [...]