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		<title>By: Still Angry</title>
		<link>http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/01/my-freedom-does-not-require-this-protection.html#comment-2610</link>
		<dc:creator>Still Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Scratch my back and I won't flail yours with razor wire&lt;/strong&gt;

Jason Kuznicki at Positive Liberty is up in arms about a report that the United States has detained (or "kidnapped" as he would have it) the wives of suspected insurgents to </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Scratch my back and I won&#8217;t flail yours with razor wire</strong></p>
<p>Jason Kuznicki at Positive Liberty is up in arms about a report that the United States has detained (or &#8220;kidnapped&#8221; as he would have it) the wives of suspected insurgents to</p>
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		<title>By: Scof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, I agree fully, keeping in mind Dylan's comment "the thousands of Iraqi civilians being blown up by these people on the streets, at work, and in their homes. Their freedom is a bit more fragile than yours."  Its not win at any cost, but we do have to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, I agree fully, keeping in mind Dylan&#8217;s comment &#8220;the thousands of Iraqi civilians being blown up by these people on the streets, at work, and in their homes. Their freedom is a bit more fragile than yours.&#8221;  Its not win at any cost, but we do have to win.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capturing and holding an innocent person in order to influence someone else's actions (e.g., pressure them into surrendering) is certainly kidnapping, even when the U.S. does it. It might be worse to be kidnapped by FARC than by the U.S. (though not in all cases), but kidnapping is still kidnapping.

Sandefur also has a point when he says that the wives of terrorists are unlikely to be innocents themselves. So why not arrest them for whatever they themselves might be guilty of?

There is sometimes an element of hypocrisy when conservatives say we should wait for more information to come out. Such information often comes from leakers, who have lately been accused of treason by some conservatives. Besides, isn't drawing attention to what's already come out the best way to ensure that more information does come out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capturing and holding an innocent person in order to influence someone else&#8217;s actions (e.g., pressure them into surrendering) is certainly kidnapping, even when the U.S. does it. It might be worse to be kidnapped by FARC than by the U.S. (though not in all cases), but kidnapping is still kidnapping.</p>
<p>Sandefur also has a point when he says that the wives of terrorists are unlikely to be innocents themselves. So why not arrest them for whatever they themselves might be guilty of?</p>
<p>There is sometimes an element of hypocrisy when conservatives say we should wait for more information to come out. Such information often comes from leakers, who have lately been accused of treason by some conservatives. Besides, isn&#8217;t drawing attention to what&#8217;s already come out the best way to ensure that more information does come out?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip J. Birmingham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip J. Birmingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is to compare it to “kidnappings.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is to compare it to “kidnappings.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I hope I don’t speak only for myself when I say that my own freedom does not require this protection."

I hope you don't speak for the thousands of Iraqi civilians being blown up by these people on the streets, at work, and in their homes. Their freedom is a bit more fragile than yours. Would you prefer the U.S. milltary hold these people or the Iraqi police and military forces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I hope I don’t speak only for myself when I say that my own freedom does not require this protection.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t speak for the thousands of Iraqi civilians being blown up by these people on the streets, at work, and in their homes. Their freedom is a bit more fragile than yours. Would you prefer the U.S. milltary hold these people or the Iraqi police and military forces?</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are outraged when FARC does this because they are a murderous rebel organization and they might just decide to shoot anyone they take out of hand. One also doubts the comfort of the accomodations and quality of health care they make available.

It's not unreasonable to be upset by this tactic. It is to compare it to "kidnappings." Hardly anyone would choose to be grabbed for ransom or political purposes by some other group in rather than the U.S. military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are outraged when FARC does this because they are a murderous rebel organization and they might just decide to shoot anyone they take out of hand. One also doubts the comfort of the accomodations and quality of health care they make available.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not unreasonable to be upset by this tactic. It is to compare it to &#8220;kidnappings.&#8221; Hardly anyone would choose to be grabbed for ransom or political purposes by some other group in rather than the U.S. military.</p>
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		<title>By: hell&#8217;s handmaiden &#187; Your wife will protect me you rotten enemy-person!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>hell&#8217;s handmaiden &#187; Your wife will protect me you rotten enemy-person!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jason Kuznicki, at Positive Liberty, comments on our great nation&#8217;s use of kidnapping on the battlefield. &#8220;What?&#8221; you say. &#8220;Not us!&#8221; We&#8217;re the good guys. Oh? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jason Kuznicki, at Positive Liberty, comments on our great nation&#8217;s use of kidnapping on the battlefield. &#8220;What?&#8221; you say. &#8220;Not us!&#8221; We&#8217;re the good guys. Oh? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Berez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I fully agree with you. I am highly skeptical that such a tactic would ever have even the slightest positive effect. What we are doing by allowing this process is creating more martyrs; innocent victims who- while they may be associated with those we label criminals- are still innocent.

It has been said to us over and over that we are engaged in a mission to win over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi citizens.

It should go without saying that this is the wrong way to go about it. 

But Sandefur's point is important, too. While I tend to believe these charges, we should never jump to conclusions. We should wait for more evidence to come out, and I'm sure it will come out. We should also make sure to emphasize that outrage over this issue, like outrage over the Abu Gahrib (how do you spell that again?) issue, does not necessarily go against the entire military. Our fighting men and women are following orders. Here's hoping that this time the Higher Ups don't get away scott free while allowing the lower ranking soldiers to take the fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I fully agree with you. I am highly skeptical that such a tactic would ever have even the slightest positive effect. What we are doing by allowing this process is creating more martyrs; innocent victims who- while they may be associated with those we label criminals- are still innocent.</p>
<p>It has been said to us over and over that we are engaged in a mission to win over the hearts and minds of the Iraqi citizens.</p>
<p>It should go without saying that this is the wrong way to go about it. </p>
<p>But Sandefur&#8217;s point is important, too. While I tend to believe these charges, we should never jump to conclusions. We should wait for more evidence to come out, and I&#8217;m sure it will come out. We should also make sure to emphasize that outrage over this issue, like outrage over the Abu Gahrib (how do you spell that again?) issue, does not necessarily go against the entire military. Our fighting men and women are following orders. Here&#8217;s hoping that this time the Higher Ups don&#8217;t get away scott free while allowing the lower ranking soldiers to take the fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Positive Liberty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why We Should Withhold Judgment Until We Know The Facts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Positive Liberty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why We Should Withhold Judgment Until We Know The Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kuznicki is right, of course, that for us to seize innocent women and children and hold them as hostages for terrorists to come out of hiding is simply not an acceptable military tactic. However, 1) this story is from Reuters, which long ago sacrificed its claims of reliability as far as I’m concerned, 2) it’s based on excerpts from sources we are not being allowed to see for greater context, 3) it would be highly naive for us to assume that the wives of terrorists are necessarily innocent civilian bystanders who have nothing to do with their husbands’ business, and 4) one notes there is no accusation that these women were abused. What we ought to do with stories like this is wait for more information before assuming that our military is guilty of wrongdoing. They might be, and they might not be.  Trackback URL: http://positiveliberty.com/2006/01/why-we-should-withhold-judgment-until-we-know-the-facts.html/trackback/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kuznicki is right, of course, that for us to seize innocent women and children and hold them as hostages for terrorists to come out of hiding is simply not an acceptable military tactic. However, 1) this story is from Reuters, which long ago sacrificed its claims of reliability as far as I’m concerned, 2) it’s based on excerpts from sources we are not being allowed to see for greater context, 3) it would be highly naive for us to assume that the wives of terrorists are necessarily innocent civilian bystanders who have nothing to do with their husbands’ business, and 4) one notes there is no accusation that these women were abused. What we ought to do with stories like this is wait for more information before assuming that our military is guilty of wrongdoing. They might be, and they might not be.  Trackback URL: <a href="http://positiveliberty.com/2006/01/why-we-should-withhold-judgment-until-we-know-the-facts.html/trackback/" rel="nofollow">http://positiveliberty.com/2006/01/why-we-should-withhold-judgment-until-we-know-the-facts.html/trackback/</a> [...]</p>
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