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	<title>Comments on: Some Thoughts on Kidnapping</title>
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		<title>By: Positive Liberty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t Assume that I Assume</title>
		<link>http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/01/1162.html#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>Positive Liberty &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t Assume that I Assume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is what I&#8217;ve said just previous to Sandefur&#8217;s accusation: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Kuznicki</title>
		<link>http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/01/1162.html#comment-2614</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Kuznicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, lots of nasty, baseless invective in that first trackback.  And very little actual reasoning.

I've already said all I care to say about the principles behind this matter, but I'll give you a recap here anyway, if you're decent enough to listen.  

Using vicious tactics against the vicious fails because it convinces the fence-sitters that we're no different from the other side -- and because it convinces the other side that their cause is just.  &lt;em&gt;We want the fanatics to doubt the justice of their cause.&lt;/em&gt;  It doesn't help when we give them reasons, however feeble, to keep on fighting.

Yes, of course this is warped reasoning on their parts.  But anyone who is on the fence between them and us is by definition going to display some warped reasoning.  That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to win them over.  On the contrary, we &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; win them over if we are to defeat militant Islam.  And if we can win over the fence-sitters by doing the right thing, so much the better.

Oh, and Dylan, what if someone took away your mother, or your newborn child?  What if they treated them well, but wouldn't tell you where they were until you met a set of demands?  &lt;em&gt;What if you were completely innocent,&lt;/em&gt; and this happened to you?

Would you still put the word "kidnapping" in quotes if it were &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; family?  No, I'm sure you'd just shrug that off.  Caring about it would be evidence of a "pathetic anklebiting mentality."  Your words, not mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, lots of nasty, baseless invective in that first trackback.  And very little actual reasoning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already said all I care to say about the principles behind this matter, but I&#8217;ll give you a recap here anyway, if you&#8217;re decent enough to listen.  </p>
<p>Using vicious tactics against the vicious fails because it convinces the fence-sitters that we&#8217;re no different from the other side &#8212; and because it convinces the other side that their cause is just.  <em>We want the fanatics to doubt the justice of their cause.</em>  It doesn&#8217;t help when we give them reasons, however feeble, to keep on fighting.</p>
<p>Yes, of course this is warped reasoning on their parts.  But anyone who is on the fence between them and us is by definition going to display some warped reasoning.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that we shouldn&#8217;t try to win them over.  On the contrary, we <em>must</em> win them over if we are to defeat militant Islam.  And if we can win over the fence-sitters by doing the right thing, so much the better.</p>
<p>Oh, and Dylan, what if someone took away your mother, or your newborn child?  What if they treated them well, but wouldn&#8217;t tell you where they were until you met a set of demands?  <em>What if you were completely innocent,</em> and this happened to you?</p>
<p>Would you still put the word &#8220;kidnapping&#8221; in quotes if it were <em>your</em> family?  No, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d just shrug that off.  Caring about it would be evidence of a &#8220;pathetic anklebiting mentality.&#8221;  Your words, not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berez</title>
		<link>http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/01/1162.html#comment-2613</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Berez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...before rushing to justice.&lt;/i&gt; 
I meant to say 'judgement'. Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;before rushing to justice.</i><br />
I meant to say &#8216;judgement&#8217;. Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berez</title>
		<link>http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/01/1162.html#comment-2612</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Berez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main thing I took from Sandefur was that the only real source we have right now is from reuters, and reuters, like any other news resourse, can make mistakes; therefore, we should wait for more confirmation before rushing to justice. It seemed to me that he implied he would be against such a tactic, but that since he felt he didn't have adequate details yet, he purposefully tried to keep his comments within a grey area.

But, who knows, perhaps I'm way off.

Also, what's with the comments section lately? It seems that numerous comments don't address the posts themselves, (see, for example the post above me by Still Angry). Are these trackbacks that are being shown with the rest of the general comments just in case we want to follow them to whichever blog is linking to PL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main thing I took from Sandefur was that the only real source we have right now is from reuters, and reuters, like any other news resourse, can make mistakes; therefore, we should wait for more confirmation before rushing to justice. It seemed to me that he implied he would be against such a tactic, but that since he felt he didn&#8217;t have adequate details yet, he purposefully tried to keep his comments within a grey area.</p>
<p>But, who knows, perhaps I&#8217;m way off.</p>
<p>Also, what&#8217;s with the comments section lately? It seems that numerous comments don&#8217;t address the posts themselves, (see, for example the post above me by Still Angry). Are these trackbacks that are being shown with the rest of the general comments just in case we want to follow them to whichever blog is linking to PL?</p>
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		<title>By: Still Angry</title>
		<link>http://www.positiveliberty.com/2006/01/1162.html#comment-2611</link>
		<dc:creator>Still Angry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Scratch my back and I won't flail yours with razor wire&lt;/strong&gt;

Jason Kuznicki at Positive Liberty is up in arms about a report that the United States has detained (or "kidnapped" as he would have it) the wives of suspected insurgents to </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Scratch my back and I won&#8217;t flail yours with razor wire</strong></p>
<p>Jason Kuznicki at Positive Liberty is up in arms about a report that the United States has detained (or &#8220;kidnapped&#8221; as he would have it) the wives of suspected insurgents to</p>
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